tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post1522620067981452625..comments2024-01-22T01:52:37.473-06:00Comments on RENEGADE TRADS: Canon Law and Sacred Bonds: Vows and Oaths in Consecrated LifeA Sinnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05083094677310915678noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post-54448713285392632452014-04-24T23:55:55.134-05:002014-04-24T23:55:55.134-05:00There are serious errors in your thoughts about th...There are serious errors in your thoughts about the vocation of Consecrated virgins [ as per Canon 604] .<br /><br />This is the earliest form of consecrated life in the 2000 year history of the Church. You are reading all forms of consecrated life through the " Horizon " or Lens of Religious life which is incorrect. You cannot compare the Total irrevocable consecration of a virgin according to the ancient rite [ which is a totally different 'paradigm'] with the Profession of vows of religious institutes that are a later development. <br /><br />The consecration of virgins happens through an ancient Prayer of Consecration said by the Bishop over her. There are no vows involved.<br /><br />Please read my blog http://ocvnewevangelisation.blogspot.in/<br /><br />also my research article ocvnewevangelisation.blogspot.in/2012/06/ordo-virginum-my-research-article.html <br /><br />Thank you !<br /><br />GBGBhttp://ocvnewevangelisation.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post-34684541273683175042011-03-16T17:14:50.992-05:002011-03-16T17:14:50.992-05:00Yes, if I were to found a Secular Institute (an id...Yes, if I were to found a Secular Institute (an idea I often toy with), I think our constitutions would say something to effect of:<br /><br />The sacred bonds undertaken by the society are vows publicly recognized and approved by the Church, and publicly received for the Church in God's name by the superior, but which are only semi-public inasmuch as they do not confer the public state of "religious" canonically.<br /><br />However, IF the Church ever makes a distinction between "public/private" and "religious/non-religious" when it comes to such vows...then the vows are to be considered Public Non-Religious vows.<br /><br />I would also say that, though members of secular institutes currently retain their state of life as clerical or lay, if the Church were to ever extend the third state of life to all consecrated life, both religious and secular, then this state would be taken up by members of the institute simply in virtue of their consecration.A Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05083094677310915678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post-24006101497076524742011-03-16T17:10:06.412-05:002011-03-16T17:10:06.412-05:00i agree with you that 'two axes' of lay-cl...i agree with you that 'two axes' of lay-clergy and secular-religious, creating four combinations, would make more sense than having three states with a laity that is always secular, a religious state that never is, and then a clerical state that may be either religious or secular.<br /><br />however, if that doesn't happen, if the church is going to maintain a third state, then i agree that it then might make sense to extend this to consecrated persons in general, even seculars, rather than just religious.<br /><br />and if even that doesn't happen, then i agree that making a public/semi-public distinction in vows based on religious status conferred, rather than on the public reception/recognition, makes less sense than simply distinguishing between public/private and religious/non-religious (or even "secular") vows.Georgenoreply@blogger.com