tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post3226789701059651892..comments2024-01-22T01:52:37.473-06:00Comments on RENEGADE TRADS: Orthodox Primacy and EcclesiologyA Sinnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05083094677310915678noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post-34083191248060493852010-08-09T12:17:23.123-05:002010-08-09T12:17:23.123-05:00PaterA has written well. However, any discussion ...PaterA has written well. However, any discussion of primacy and counciliarity must include a reference to Canon 34/35 of the so-called Apostolic Canons: <br /><br />"The bishops of every "ethnos" must acknowledge him who is first among them and account him as their head, and do nothing of consequence without his consent; but each may do those things only which concern his own parish [sic], and the country places which belong to it. But neither let him (who is the first) do anything without the consent of all; for so there will be unanimity, and God will be glorified through the Lord in the Holy Spirit."<br /><br />In other words, the guiding principle is what the Russians call "sobornost" or synodality. We find it in action in Acts 15 (and yes, it includes the laity). What is required is consensus, not just among the bishops, but from the entire Church. This is why an ecumenical council cannot be considered ecumenical until it is "received" by the whole Church.<br /><br />Obviously this principle applies from the bottom of the Church to the top. Thus, I argue that a straight line can be drawn from the Eleventh Century to Vatican II via Vatican I. The problem? "Magisterial positivism" centered on the Pope, which, despite all protestations to the contrary, makes the magisterium the master, instead of the servant, of "the Word of God". Traditionalist Roman Catholicism, then, offers a major service by raising the question of the Tradition over against the magisterium.<br /><br />"Peter, when you are converted, strengthen your brethren."<br /><br />Avva Greg (who is currently not signing into anything on this computer - long story).<br /><br />http://vagantepriest.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4213316015209503694.post-25277280778384857802010-08-08T19:57:51.591-05:002010-08-08T19:57:51.591-05:00I'm currently reading "His Broken Body: ...I'm currently reading "His Broken Body: Understanding <br />and Healing the Schism ..." written by Laurent Cleenewerck, an Orthodox priest. It is excellent, it covers the above and much much more. If you are interested in the Catholic-Orthodox dialogue this book is a must read. <br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14275572949942001330noreply@blogger.com